know what iea, the institute of economic affairs, was all about and to work with its founders, ralph harris, arthur and the others. and i saw a think tank in action, and i saw how it could work. later on, fast forward, i was in washington. anthony fisher camp through washington, looked the up and said hey, are around the world we got one that we think is going to be starting in sydney australia, greg lindsey has a center out there. said we want to do one both in new york and washington, kind of two offices, two bases because they should be covered at the politics. and we talked a lot of very seriously and it started developing. meantime i was an outside director of heritage and we had a meeting about december 76, november, december 76. frank was then the president of heritage and reminded the board he had made a two-year commitment to come in as the president of heritage and he wanted to go back to california. >> can't blame him for that. >> too many people want to move into california these days but back then it was a great spot and this was immediately post ronald reagan. california's eco